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Title: Business Taxes No Income
Author: user
for us taxes, i created a business in florida, with an EIN number, thinking i would use it for consulting It related services. I ended up getting a W2 job instead, but i had put about 10K in it's bank account, but all the expenses related to the business, i paid with my personal card. should i pay any taxes for the business, even though it had no income?
Author: ChatGPT
Since you???re in Florida (which has no state income tax) and created a business that had no income, here???s a clear breakdown of your federal tax obligations and considerations:
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### ??? **1. Did the Business Earn Any Income?**
- You stated the business **had no income**. That means:
- No revenue to report.
- But it still may need to file **an informational return** depending on its structure.
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### ??? **2. What Type of Entity Is the Business?**
This is crucial:
- **Sole Proprietorship (default for single-owner LLC without S corp election):**
- You would report activity on **Schedule C** of your personal Form 1040.
- If no income or expenses, you may **not need to file Schedule C** at all.
- BUT since you had **expenses paid personally**, you *can* report them on Schedule C and take a **net loss** to reduce your taxable income.
- **Single-Member LLC (disregarded entity):**
- Same as above ??? report on Schedule C of your 1040.
- No separate tax return is required unless you elected to be taxed as a **corporation**.
- **S Corp or C Corp (if you filed Form 2553 or Form 8832):**
- **Must file a tax return**, even if there???s no income.
- S Corp: File **Form 1120-S**
- C Corp: File **Form 1120**
- Failure to file can result in **penalties**, even with no income.
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### ??? **3. What About the $10K You Put in the Bank Account?**
- That???s **owner equity**, not income.
- It???s **not taxable** ??? it's just you putting your own money into the business.
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### ??? **4. What About the Expenses You Paid with Your Personal Card?**
- Those expenses are still **deductible**, assuming they???re:
- **Ordinary and necessary** for the business.
- Properly documented (receipts, what they were for, etc.).
- You can **reimburse yourself** from the business account later or just track them for deduction.
- You may report a **net operating loss**, which can reduce your total taxable income.
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### ??? **5. Should You File Anything?**
- If **sole proprietorship or single-member LLC**, and you:
- Want to deduct the $10K in startup/business expenses ??? **File Schedule C**.
- Don???t want to claim expenses and had no income ??? **No Schedule C needed**, but keep records.
- If you elected S Corp or C Corp ??? **You must file a return** even if you had no activity.
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### ??? **Bottom Line**
You likely **don???t owe any taxes**, but you might want to:
- File **Schedule C** to capture your legitimate business expenses.
- Ensure you file **Form 1120-S or 1120** if you elected corporate tax treatment.
- File **Form 1040 with or without Schedule C** depending on what you want to report.
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If you're unsure about the entity type, I can help you figure that out. Do you remember if you filed **Form 2553 (S Corp election)** or **Form 8832**? Or was it just an LLC you formed and got an EIN for?
Author: user
can i file an extension for the business?
Author: ChatGPT
Yes, **you absolutely can file an extension for your business**, but **how** you do that depends on your **business entity type**. Here's the breakdown for each:
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### ??? **If You???re a Sole Proprietor / Single-Member LLC (No S Corp Election)**
- Your business income/expenses go on **Schedule C** of your personal **Form 1040**.
- To extend your business and personal taxes, you just file:
> **Form 4868 ??? Application for Automatic Extension of Time To File U.S. Individual Income Tax Return**
> [https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-4868](https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-4868)
- This gives you until **October 15, 2025** to file.
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### ??? **If You Elected to Be Taxed as an S Corporation**
- You must file:
> **Form 7004 ??? Application for Automatic Extension of Time To File Certain Business Income Tax, Information, and Other Returns**
> [https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-7004](https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-7004)
- This gives you a **6-month extension** for **Form 1120-S**.
- **Deadline to file Form 7004 was March 15**, 2025 (for calendar-year corps).
If you missed it, late filing penalties may apply ??? even if no income.
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### ??? **If You Elected to Be Taxed as a C Corporation**
- Also file **Form 7004**.
- Deadline is **April 15**, 2025 if you're on a calendar year.
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### ???? Summary Table
| Business Type | File This Extension | Original Due Date | Extended Due Date |
|------------------------|---------------------|-------------------|-------------------|
| Sole Proprietor / SMLLC | **Form 4868** | April 15, 2025 | October 15, 2025 |
| S Corporation | **Form 7004** | March 15, 2025 | September 15, 2025|
| C Corporation | **Form 7004** | April 15, 2025 | October 15, 2025 |
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If you're not sure whether you elected S Corp/C Corp tax treatment, I can help you confirm that based on what you filed with the IRS when you got the EIN. Want to check that?